[26] The Arab descendants of the original Arabian settlers who continue to speak Arabic as a first language currently form the single largest population group in North Africa. What is uncovered thus far reveal that the structures are not dwellings, but tombs. But the buildings of the Aad are like Lego blocks compared to the Thamud. But as is clear from the above discussion, Thamud were thriving as late as maybe the 4th century AD, while the people of Aad have left their final trails, only a few centuries before that. Four generations is only about eighty years and its unlikely, in my humble opinion, that they were able to establish a new socieity, invent a new religion, and forget all about their ancestors the Aad in such a short time. After giving birth, the camel drank all the water from a well every two days and then produced enormous amounts of milk for the people. Here is the summary of his opinion: ( ) which only proves that al-Hijr was also the land of the Thamud which is not a problem. Also if it is in the present it makes it sound there buildings were like brand new like not destroyed etc, This is it then Im done but thank you very much for answering my questions jazzakkallah, 3. Sargon II (d. 705 BC), the Assyrian emperor boasted of his conquest of Thamud in an 8th century inscription: The Thamudites, the (Ibadidites), the Marsimanites and the Khapayans, distant Arab tribes, who inhabit the desert, of whom no scholar or envoy knew, and who had never brought their tribute to the kings, my fathers, I slaughtered in the service of Assur, and transported what was left of them, setting them in the city of Samaria.. They very well could be the predecessors of the Edomites as they lived around the same area, and according to the Bible, they practiced the tradition of carving dwellings into the rocks. Assalam alikum forget the rest of what Ive put down but I was just wondering does 36:41 prove that every one on the earth comes from the people of tge ark if yes then how does that work because people could still see thamud dwellings so that means they could only come thousands of years of go but we know noah had to come near them but we know humans have been here at least 40 thousand bc so how do we explain this, Assalam alikum thanks for the answers but thamud had to be destroyed no lesser than 3000 bc not 800 bc jazzakallah because thamud came before Abraham jazzakallah but thanks, Also if the quran says the area is wadi al qura then madian al saleh is not wadi al qura jazzakallah but thanks, But of course in there empire day they would of probably built in wadi al qura and al ula and madian al saleh and else where in there area because they would of had a large population any where between 20 thousand to 50 thousand people because mekkah and median together came to 20-40 thousand people in the prophets day and 40:21 says these people were more in population so they had to be more than mekkah and median, Assalam alikum also dies 7:74 mean that Thamud were the descendents of ad or not or were they they descendents of ad jazzakallah. While certain online Christian communities are abuzz with elation and glee, some Muslims are faced with difficulties in formulating a proper response to the latest Christian accusation. Yusuf Ali: But if they turn away, say thou: "I . 74], , And certainly did the companions of Thamud deny the messengers. you who say to yourself, Most scholars interpret this as an earthquake. I dont know and this is a good aspect of the Quran; it does not go into such things and instead instructs us to focus on the message and not the nitty gritty. It is addressed there Al-ijr, Saudi Arabia: ancient Thamd house, This article was most recently revised and updated by. [25], Some Islamic sources claim that the Banu Thaqif tribe, an Arab tribe from Ta'if in the period of Muhammad, was descended from a survivor of the Thamud (sometimes a slave of Salih). These people were very wealthy and wielded great power. It is possible that multiple unrelated groups took on the name of Thamud; they probably spoke Old Arabic. God then destroyed the tribe, except for Salih and a few other righteous men. They are often discussed when Allah is directing our attention to people who disobeyed Him and were punished as a result. We simply do not know the true date and timeline for when the first Thamud of the Quran existed and, therefore, it would be difficult, if not impossible, to accurately identify the ruins of such an ancient civilization that lived thousands years ago. For a few reasons. Are these tourist sites now identified at Madian Saleh the same as those we see discussed in the saheeh ahadith during the Tabuk expedition or is that a different location because these sites are identified as built by Nabataens and not Thamud and are considered much later than Thamud people (if we consider the finds to be absolutely authentic that these are Nabataens who built them. Further confirmation of their service under the Romans, comes via a late 4th (or early 5th century) military document Notitia Dignitatum, which clealy mentions two cavalry units of Thamud, one serving in Egypt and the other in Palestine. Now imagine if people arrive from Latin America, find Mount Rushmore, and make a few inscriptions on it. However, as the Christians have proposed an objection to the notion of any other people carving structures in hills and mountains prior to the Nabateans, this leaves the Christians with the following options: (1). To Aad was sent the prophet Hud; to Thamud, Saleh, and together with another mysterious figure, Shoaib, they constitute the only three pre-Islamic prophets mentioned in the Quran that have an exclusive Arab provenance. These things had huge doors, elaborate engravings, complex designs, and must have been an amazing sight in their time. 'Aad and Thamud are two of several communities described in the Quran as recipients of God's chosen prophets - and being utterly destroyed for rejecting them. Hud ( ) was sent to Ad and after their destruction, Thamud inherited the land. Yet how can we prove that there was a Prophet sent to them since Allah SWT does not punish a nation without sending one? But they hamstrung it, so he said, "Enjoy life for another three days: this warning will not prove false." It is large enough to house individuals, should they have chosen to live inside them. The Quran states regarding them: , And to the Thamud [We sent] their brother Salih. These people incurred the wrath of God and were destroyed. The crafts became abundant and firmly rooted. Its like me living in a house, then someone tears it down and then builds another house and says Abdullah used to live in that house while the fact is that I did not. They were more sophisticated than the Aad. And God knows best. Wadi al-Qura, refer to the article above. The people led wealthy excessive lives, built grand buildings, both on the plains, and carved into the hills. Then do you see any remains?Chapter 69, Verses 6 8. I guess it can be said that the Nabataeans can be considered one of the nations succeeding the people of Thamud. The Thamd were known from contemporary sources to have occupied parts of the Hejaz region, and later Islamic tradition holds that they settled on the slopes of Mount Athlab. 3) The tombs were in fact built by Thamud as houses and the Nabateans simply inscribed them later. Other ahadith mention that this was the land of Thamud ie. Sargon defeated these tribes, according to his Annals, and had them forcibly deported to Samaria. The Quran on the Cerebrum: _ Qur'an and Science. The first ancient tribe of Thamud should be distinguished from later tribes named Thamud by historians and archaeologists, as well as the region itself, which was known as the land of Thamud and sometimes simply Thamud.. In sum, missionaries and polemicists contrive an accusation against the Quran by obscuring, deliberately or not, the meaning of Thamud in the Quran and its relationship to the complex array of archaeological sites in Arabia. http://www.imgrum.org/media/1483126817820752683_724804649 There existed a nation called the Edomites. The Middle verse in chapter (25) of the Noble Quran talks about Noah's people, Ad (the people of the prophet Hud) and Thamud (the people of the prophet Salih). Thamud used to carve out rocks in the valley Jazak Allah, Ok thanks jazzakkallah that about it thanks but out of the 8 theorys I put down before witch one would you pick to be the best interpretation thanks and when you say (archaic) do you mean that are civilization is better then the people of AD relics or the other way round that there relics are better than are houses or do you just mean there relics are better then the mekkahans houses and madian houses etc I didnt really understand you by that bit but thanks for your helping jazzakkallah. The ruins were identified by the Prophet (s) as belonging to those who wronged themselves, without ascribing them to the very first tribe of Thamud. I believe neither are in error. We have no firm textual evidence as to where they went, but their pattern of rock carving survived for millennia among their successors in the area such as the Nabateans, the Dedanites, the Lihyanites who supplanted the Dedanites in Dedan in the last century BCE and 1st century CE and others. According to the Online Corpus of the Inscriptions of Ancient North Arabia (OCIANA) at the University of Oxford: Thamudic is a name invented by nineteenth-century scholars for large numbers of inscriptions in ANA alphabets which have not yet been properly studied. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were anni. [28] The second lesson is to watch out for the signs in our lives. Take your time and let it sink in: 1. The absence of evidence here is no evidence of absence. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); The Quranic tribes of Aad and Thamud a historical perspective. As for their dates, I do not know and it is not necessary that they would have to be very close to each other. And they used to carve from the mountains, houses, feeling secure. You have no god other than Him. It seems we gonna have some proper analysis on this case, and Allah (as) knows best! They trace their lineage to Abbas, uncle of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The pride of thine heart hath deceived thee As regarding to the Ahadith from Ibn Umar (as), they seem to be a interpretation of him itself, the prophet (as) says nothing about them. SSH and Password-less communication using SSH, Basics of Cryptography and Digital Signature, The Quranic tribes of 'Aad and Thamud - a historical perspective, Lenin khuda ke huzoor mein: A simplified commentary, Q 7:74 mentions Thamud as building houses out of mountains, while Q 54:31 confirms that they were destroyed by a shriek. It doesnt speak about being touched or untouched. [15] A major source of income for these people was the taxation of caravans, and tributes collected from non-Bedouin settlements. Thats all the Thamud had to do. The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the New Testament says:" He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." The Middle verse in chapter (11) of the . They were elites. And 'Ad and Thamud (people)! However, now none may be visible and what is visible now are those made centuries later. The Rashaida of Sudan and Eritrea live in close proximity with the Beja people. According to the Islamic tradition, the Thamd were warned by the prophet li to worship Allh, but the Thamd stubbornly refused and as a result were annihilated either by a thunderbolt or by an earthquake. The means of God's destruction of Thamud include a thunderbolt, a storm, a shout, and an earthquake. Rather, it tells us to look at the region in which Thamud had existed as well as the many generations after them.